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University of Oklahoma President David Boren prides himself on his wealth of knowledge when it comes to politics and world history. Unfortunately, one OU alumnus didn't serve Boren's school very well on either account.

OU grad Kevin James has made quite a name for himself as another of those I-scream-my-points-therefore-I-win conservative radio talk show hosts. He started his loud right-wing rants on Oklahoma City radio station KTOK.

James was recently on "Hardball with Chris Matthews" to argue the point President George Bush was making on his recent trip to Israel that talking with the enemy is appeasement " a point pundits claimed was directed at Barack Obama.

Bush referenced British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and the mistake Chamberlain made by negotiating with Adolf Hitler before World War II.

Matthews asked James to explain the mistake Chamberlain made and how it relates to Obama. The following is what transpired of that exchange:

Matthews: What did Neville Chamberlain do wrong in 1939?

James: It all goes back to appeasement. It's the key term.

Matthews: No, what did he do? Tell me what he did? You have to answer this question.

James: It's the same thing, we're talking about appeasement.

Matthews: What did Chamberlain do wrong?

After a few more verbal exchanges of Matthews asking the same question and James giving the same response, but in higher decibel levels, the exchange turned ugly for James.

Matthews: You don't know, do you?

James: He was an appeaser, Chris.

Matthews: He doesn't know. You are BS-ing me.

James: And it energized and legitimized "¦ and made it easier for Hitler to advance in the ways that he advanced.

After that well-formulated answer, Matthews pinned James down on the question and James finally relented.

James: I don't know what the president was referring to when he talked about what was being said in 1939.

Matthews: You don't know what you're talking about.

Matthews then went on to explain the difference between talking and appeasing and how Chamberlain didn't just talk to Hitler but gave him part of Czechoslovakia in 1938 through the Munich Agreement.

After the explanation, Matthews summed up his frustration: "This is pathetic."

The man who was supposed to be debating James, Democrat Mark Green, gave James a bit of advice at the end of the conversation: "Kevin, when you're in a hole, stop digging."

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